Where Leftover Misery Goes. Robert Haas, Guest Editor. 103DR: There are some lines from your poems, wrought like those in Stein, that one could carry in ones head all day and it would color that day; for example, that thinks but not only on words is one; all thats left of the old world are beautiful voices, is another that might change ones day. Need a transcript of this episode? [2], After Notley's graduation, she and Berrigan spent periods of time in New York City and Buffalo. Pictures from Breughel and Other Poems and The Desert Music and Other Poems (1954): that book is fantastic; he caught the new line, which he refers to in one of his letters. A fairly long poem that Notley generally reads quickly, At Night the States gives the reader a feeling of being pulled through grief and back into life, with irregular syntax signaling the disruption to day-to-day living caused by a great loss. Her mother was Polish and her father Irish. Alice Notley continues to live in Paris and makes frequent trips to the U.S. to give readings and lectures. Did it influence you? Is that right? 78When we moved to Needles, there had been a cry house which was a place where the Mojaves would go to cry when somebody died, and there was now this pile of boards: my mother was completely fascinated by the cry house, thus she would use that phrase; one of the first stories I wrote on route to the University of Iowas Writers Workshop for an MFA as a prose writer was about Needles, concerning a white man who goes to the cry house to cry. Alice Notley has become one of America's greatest living poets. I certainly wouldve used anything to keep from being sent. 43DR: Yes, those are full of imagery: evidently, they have all kinds of signification. I would write during that high, meanwhile I would listen to Bob Dylan tapes. DR: Frank OHara was strongly influenced by Williams, and you in turn take a lot from OHara. It seemed that people like Joe Brainard were doing important, high-art collages and we could follow along without any pretention to be creating masterpieces. Notleys work stands as a testament to how difficult it is to be truly individual. They are a grappling with it as a kind of a design problem. He taught some writing: one writing class, and one civilization and literature class. 120DR: He was deeply inspired by the Hindu tradition, which was brave and opens the culture up. contact email: nicksturm00@gmail.com The range, audacity, and radical commitments of Alice Notley's poetry are unmatched in contemporary literature. How do we make sense of ourselves in relation to huge abstract institutions such as democracy, the state, and marriage? Doug [Oliver] had died, and it was 2001. 124I also have a vinyl record, its like one of those jazz albums. At the moment, it feels like theres not much going on there; because its all going on at the surface actually. Were you and he on the same wavelength politically? She was the only woman in her genre and one of two in the entire graduate writing department. There was a black woman at a desk when I went in who said, What are you doing here? I just sat down and replied, Im a widow; Ive got two children; I know its been a year and a half since my husband died; Im trying to stay at home as much as I can and I have a part-time job (I was working for Allen Ginsberg at the time). . In this short poem from her 1980 book When I Was Alive, Notley describes a female god who creates, instead of light, lightbulbs & liquefaction, who teaches us affection for paintings and films and the limitations of words. DR: In that book, the heroine is a true medium who can look at someones face and know things, and at the end she is taken off to the asylum; Andr Breton then rails for two pages about how misguided asylums are, which makes your collage seem to be broaching the question of clairvoyance in terms of surrealistic, poetic culture. When I read. 98DR: Frank OHara was strongly influenced by Williams, and you in turn take a lot from OHara. 102I re-read Wars I have Seen (1945) a couple of years ago because she was being bashed in the States again: they were underlining her Vichy connections in order to make her into a kind of villain, without any regard for how difficult it must have been: a lesbian living with another lesbian, in her sixties, in a country that wasnt her own country, Jewish, thus a prime candidate for the camps. of Marie de France. This is perhaps one of Notleys ways of repurposing male influences: what for Apollinaire seemed like a bold transcription of modern life, evoking the frenetic motion of photography and film, is for Notley a figure of timelessness and stillness, a place where picture and pictogram cant be fully pulled apart. Even as One goes questing, other voices appear, speak against each other, refract. Then I figured out how to write them, so they enter the text. In a poem from the seventies, Notley mocks the downtown sensibility of the time with an older male poets rant: No women poets are any / good, if you want it / Straight, because they dont handle money.. Ive never thought of her as a poet: sometimes I think she doesnt know anything about poetry at all. Kilkenny (irlands: Cill Chainnigh [cil xani], que significa 'iglesia de Cainnech') es una ciudad en el condado de Kilkenny, Irlanda. Aeneas founded a city, Rome. 90AN: Virgil was just this poet and he had to contend with Augustus Caesar. Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press, 2011. Perpetually strapped for cash, the two took on whatever small jobs they could to support the family. Early on, I understood that was something you could enjoy doing out of folk music. To come back to this one, I read it as a kind of danse macabre because theres something resembling skulls going on here with the top of the fan supports. DR: Your attitude towards staleness in the academic world, your sensitivity towards these questions of history and politics, indeed your measure and courage for speaking out reminds me of one first-generation New York School poet in particular, Kenneth Koch. 36AN: Like dolmensyes, something like that. Revue dtudes amricaines. Its deliberate, in order to find something out. Notley has remained in Paris but makes several trips to the United States each year to give readings and teach small workshops. Its a reasonable question to ask about For the Ride, which begins with a challenge to the reader: Youll have to decipher whats going on, as it happens. KOCH, Kenneth. Why? 30DR: In your work, theres something in the interstices between thoughts thats both intriguing and active. There was a piece of paper on my door that said: in your building there were two Jewish children who were taken to the camps; we are going to have a ceremony for the unveiling of a plaque on the rue de Chabrol. AN: His werent poetry workshops: he taught undergraduate courses at Columbia. Alice Notley, Polaroid photo taken in Needles, CA, c.1985, courtesy of the artist, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. This evolution in her work was also spurred by a series of personal losses, including of her husband (the poet Ted Berrigan), her step-daughter, and her brother. 71AN: His werent poetry workshops: he taught undergraduate courses at Columbia. I actually feel bad when I dont write, like yesterday, but I always have something going on. My favorite is how to cure an octopus: you go fishing, get an octopus, and you beat it against a rock. New York: Penguin, 1996. Her work is various, spontaneous, and increasingly mythological. Poems for milestone birthdays and those in-between. He came around when something bad happened to us. In the case of John Ashbery, theres a poem called Syringa (1977) with an Orphean motif. She has long written in narrative and epic and genre-bending modes to discover new ways to explore the nature of the self and the social and cultural importance of disobedience. Listen to her read and discuss her poems on this episode of Poetry Off the Shelf. Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 2005. , c. 1945, courtesy of the Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. Ive noticed it with my granddaughters. New York: Scarlet Editions, 1992. One major joy and challenge of reading Notleys work is the wild sense of freedom her poems generate: from line to line, word to word, anything can happen. I havent changed much since I first began writing: In the spring of 1976, Notley and her family returned to New York, and her husband Ted fell ill with hepatitis, a disease he suffered from until his death in 1983. For three or four years my father danced the Hopi snake dance with a live snake in his mouth. That gives you a sense of the sound. DR: He has said that he started doing collages in his twenties and continued throughout his life. The others were like me, though Hispanic and black. New York: Scribner Poetry, 2001, p.120-124. , 1998. ; but that bird was in a book; you see that phrase there marks what I was barred from: so the thing to see is that Im in jail and they wont let me into the Htel des Grands Hommes. Which is the Panthon. I felt I knew what the cry house was, and had ideas about it: I knew how to use regional things. Perhaps the greatest OHara disciple in this sense is the poet Alice Notley, who, in the course of forty-plus years and forty-plus books, has repeatedly cited OHara as an influence while following her own unconventional path. Sometimes I have in-between projects and that is a tough situation; because, I usually dont write as well then, indeed, I never quite know what to do at those moments. Though I didnt know I was being influenced by him again when I was doing. Her honors also include an Academy Award in Literature from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Shelley Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America. Alice Notley (born 8 November 1945) is an American poet. Over the course of Alice Notley's long and prolific career she's written more than 25 books since 1971 readers have assigned her any number of identities: native of the American West,. AN: We were all doing them. The Desert Music and Other Poems. That particular poem is in your selected poems, in, , and it was presented upright on the page, but it was published in a review called. 49DR: In that book, the heroine is a true medium who can look at someones face and know things, and at the end she is taken off to the asylum; Andr Breton then rails for two pages about how misguided asylums are, which makes your collage seem to be broaching the question of clairvoyance in terms of surrealistic, poetic culture. I wonder about it later, but actually it always seems like it is justified: I think the people that I mentioned in. I figured it out afterwards. there was a picture of a model with antlers on her head and she was in a fashion show that day on the runwayshe was wearing antlers: it was a premonitory dream. But Notley, never one to be pinned down, has continued to push poetrys formal constraints, and this pursuit has led her far away from portraits of domestic life. He gave everybody permission to be funny. , Memoir/Antimemoir; Summer 2000, p. 147-151. DR: It seems to be an inspired collage. New York: New Directions, 1962. 16DR: Indeed, Berrigan and OHara were both Irish names. (2005), and I have essays in it about her and Joanne Kyger, Ted Berrigan, Lorenzo Thomas, Frank OHara, and some others. The Goddess who created this passing world. 17AN: Yes, they were the two Irish of the set. For some 45 years, she has striven against the forces that stifle idiosyncrasy. Need a transcript of this episode? DR: Right, thats a strong, colonizing streak in Western culture. ALICE NOTLEY has published more than twenty collections of poems. The same style extends to other poems from this time period, such as White Phosphorus. The incentives to engage in selfish, destructive action are as strong as they always have been. Alice. She received a BA from Barnard College in 1967, and an MFA from the the Writers' Workshop at the University of Iowa in 1969. The artist Rudy Burckhardt once. Alice Notley has become one of America's greatest living poets. Theres no garbage. The words at night the states serve as a refrain that marks the beginning of each stanza. She was educated in the Needles public schools, Barnard College, and The Writer's Workshop, University of Iowa. In New York, the poets you met were mostly all from somewhere else (except for a few of them like Bill Berkson and Kenward Elmslie). I just sat in here and wrote about Allen and the international aspect of his work. I went downstairs. is to take away from her the founding of a city, and transform her into this love suicide, and to rob her of her power. If this poem demonstrates her abiding interest in metaphysics, it also speaks to the immediate political realities of being a woman writer. Notleys ceaseless productivity hints at a method counter to the heavy emphasis on, and even fetishization of, craft that forms the cornerstone of poetrys increasing professionalization. As Notley writes in "The Prophet" (1981): "One is you & all this & two & yet." The yet is where poetry begins. On Ted Berrigans exuberant and idiosyncratic prose. He was my political education really. I think all poets do that; its also something out of the tradition of folk music. Too many DR: Eileen Myles is another poet who comes from an Irish, working-class, New England background and lost her father. I certainly wouldve used anything to keep from being sent. Here is a brief introduction to her poetry through some of the poems that appear on the Poetry Foundation website, in chronological order from her earlier books to her more recent work. 48AN: I read it when I was about twenty-three, in English. My mother had broken her hip. We were all born in 1945, and despite a certain competitiveness at first, became good friends. And theres a poem called This Kind of Paradise (1986) where the Hopis suddenly appear in a bureaucratic Food Stamps Office. New Addresses was influenced by my autobiographical book that almost won the Pulitzer Prize, Mystery of Small Houses (1998), getting him to dredge up his past, bravely. She is, to borrow the title from her 2011 collection, a culture of onea singular voice and the medium of many. My collages actually reflect the situation of overabundance. Grave of Light. 72As for my teaching at the Saint Marks poetry project, I gave assignments from week to week and I made the students bring in those rather than the poems they wrote on their own, to hold discussion without my having to criticize them too much. DR: Yes, the 1971 poem about writing an earlier poem of the same title, a characteristically clever poetic ploy. Wars I have Seen. A close relationship with the poet Anselm Hollo, who was teaching at the program at that time, led to Notley leaving Iowa City for Morocco in 1968. 7Alice Notley: Im from the desert which I found intensely attractive as nature, and its my nature reallyI havent been back in six years but I love that nature. Notleys work is famously heterogeneous, but its possible to see a gradual shift in her work, beginning in the mid-eighties, away from the New York Schools emphasis on ordinary detail and the surfaces of daily city life. Eileen was twelve. Alice Notleywas born in Bisbee, Arizona, in 1945 and grew up in Needles, California. There are others over there. Notleys language is, as ever, mystifying: in lines fluid yet clipped, interior yet discursive, she turns the idea of independence inside out to discover its seams. She was 88had just got back upand I was so inspired by how she got back up that I wrote that poem; I also wrote Blinding the White Horse in Front of Me (2016) basically in the same spurt of energy. Frank had a characteristic, manly idea of existing in the world despite what you might call his femininity, and I think that Ted understood it as something like being a Jimmy Cagney or something from the movies: Ted knew how to take that stance. The Indie rock group AroarA put music to her fascinating piece, In the Pines (2007). Notley has stayed very involved in the preservation of both Berrigan and Oliver's works, having edited and written introductions for a number of their books and she continues to be a prolific and powerful force in contemporary poetry, winning the Leonore Marshall Poetry Prize in 2007 and the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize in 2015. Blinding the White Horse in Front of Me in Certain Magical Acts. [14] Several poems from her 2007 collection In the Pines were set to music by the Canadian indie pop band AroarA for their 2014 Polaris Music Prize-nominated 2013 EP In the Pines[15] and in Fall 2014, a conference celebrating Notley's work was held at the Bay Area Public School in Oakland, California. Sign up for the Books & Fiction newsletter. Instead of second-guessing their style, we could talk about the way they handled the tasks. This guy is doing vinyl records of poets and hes done a series including one of me and one of Eileen [Myles]. New York: Penguin Poets, 2016. Alice Notley (born November 8, 1945) is an American poet. AN: I wrote an essay about her work in a book of essays called. I assume I've learned a little more since the last time I taught, and that I've a little more to learn in the teaching. AN: I learned a lot from him on that level. , Portland, WA: Fonograf Editions (Octopus Books), 2019. I had it for a long time and it started to break. And with popularity comes influence: one thinks of the sunny romanticism and Instagram-readiness of Having a Coke with You (the more abstract, difficult side of OHaras work has yet to gain influencer status). Paris: Gallimard, Bibliothque de La Pliade, 1988, p. 643-753. 58AN: I actually listened to Monteverdi to get the cadences that were before The Descent of Alette: particularly in White Phosphorus (1988) and at the end of Beginning with a Stain (1987). Miles Davis live at Birdland or something. I could have a conversation about Royal Trux: a very chaotic indie group, sometimes awful, sometimes amazingly brilliant. There were various famous people now that were in it like Susie Timmons. Over the course of her career, Alice Notley has achieved something astounding: each of her nearly 30 books is different from the last one yet unmistakably hers. The books were published under the imprint Unimproved Editions and Notley made cover art for the majority of the titles. Then generations of people had to have to deal with the bad behavior and figure out how to talk about it. Shes made few changes to her approach to the work. Ones not overshadowed like in forests elsewhere, but its particularly harsh, and hot: the Mojave goes up to 120-125 [Fahrenheit], sometimes. You and Ted published it in your review, Chicago (1974). She was married the British poet Douglas Oliver until his death in 2000. I dont know anything about French pop culture at all; Im necessarily estranged from American pop culture, but I do sometimes know whats going on in music. I actually feel bad when I dont write, like yesterday, but I always have something going on. Then he writes poetry in the variable foot which is a huge influence on my later work. His poems have appeared (or are forthcoming) in ZYZZYVA, Poetry Northwest, and Sycamore Review. Now there are all these plaques in my neighborhood saying: Here 300 French school children were sent to the camps. I woke up one day. The conjunctions are the most mysterious places in Johns work. AN: You dont have to breathe between them. 44AN: That photo in the middle is me at age ten, I think. 52I do write down my dreams, though I havent been dreaming much lately; but Ive been doing that for years. But he also gave us a new way to think about nature itself. White Phosphorus I knew that I was also doing something like what they used to talk about in college: the taking of two disjunctive things then the jamming of them together: that was part of our critical education at the time; in fact, John Ashbery would have had it too, probably, though he was twenty years older than I was. Can we know where the crystal ark of language is taking us? 25AN: Yes, and she hasnt changed much. The designer of the cover made an extract basically, making it wrap around the book cover, which was an attractive idea. Those are the ones Im working on right now, which have to do with my poetry of the moment. Miles Davis live at Birdland or something. From this anarchic swirl, brilliant language emerges: Color sizzles my cells, a subversive moon appears, and a moment of playing the dulcimer / in a lemon grove startles. 47DR: Its incredible because, I just re-read Nadja recently. 13AN: He had no trust in his own ability to write things out, while he had faith in his ability to find things. Breaking Down Tracy K. Smiths Poem Solstice, Jia Tolentino on poetry as a refuge, and finding meaning in Tracy K. Smiths Solstice.. New York: Unimproved Editions, 1986. That's the future, babe. . 37DR: Historically, painting is central to cultural New York and to New York poetry. New York: TPR. DR: He was deeply inspired by the Hindu tradition, which was brave and opens the culture up. His zips are like obelisks; theyre like sculptures inside the paintings. New York: Granary Books, 2006. In this midcareer lyric, the poet plays with the idea of citizenship in the everyday, exploring how, as poets and pedestrians, family members and lovers, people always exist somewhere betweenIandwe. She was in my workshop. NOTLEY, Alice. 109DR: I wouldnt be able to take the journey if I couldnt hear the poem.. MYLES, Eileen. Her children, Anselm Berrigan and Edmond Berrigan are both New York Poets of a younger generation. Though I didnt know I was being influenced by him again when I was doing Alette. Its not around me much now. Where Leftover Misery Goes.. [4] Notley's second book, Phoebe Light, was published in 1973 by Bill Berkson's Bolinas-based press Big Sky.[5]. In the mixed abstractions of a mid-eighties poem called Congratulating Wedge, Notley turns instability into strength: Im ashamed to keep on babblingas if Ive always been oneself,diamond flow through. Among her two newest volumes are Eurynomes Sandals (Presses Universitaires de Rouen, 2019) and For the Ride (Penguin Books, 2020). As in I the People, the speaker in this masterpiece questions the relationship between person and nation and between private and publicbut this time in the face of great personal loss. YouTube. Notleys work seems to suggest that correctives to the old narratives are possible but also that real fixity is always out of reach. However, New York Poetry authorized one to draw from others, taking a bit from this one, and from that one, which I did for a long time. Its flowing world is populated by characters who seem to personify indeterminate pronouns (like a shaman named Qui) and theres a general defiance of set categories: and if one who renews refuses / gender? Philip Gourevitch. I am tempted to treat the quotation marks between phrases as breath-markers like on a musical score. In Notley's epic poem, The Descent of Alette, form takes many shapes. You know that quotation from a Paris Review interview (1983) that everything is this underground river and you can just draw from it any time you want to. New York: TPR. Like somebody live in some city. Alice Notley (born November 8, 1945) is an American poet. In fact, the strong memories of starting points, including the vegetation, you just evoked link you to your New York School entourage. DR: Such natural presences are important. NOTLEY, Alice. and Laurence B. HOLLAND. AN: He had no trust in his own ability to write things out, while he had faith in his ability to find things. Its possible Im living in the apartment of someone who was taken away to the camps. . Why poetry is necessary and sought after during crises. And the past & future & I born too. This is probably one reason that I change form and style so much, out of a desire to find a new beginning, which is always the true beginning. must start and will now by an awkward process make something, thinking New York: Penguin Books, 1977. I dont give a DR: Did you like doing it? They were the CDs that my son made and sent me; there are a lot of miss-hearings of Bob Dylan songs, as well as just a lot of folk songs that I already knew, in that work. 80AN: Probably, I wouldnt dance, but Anne might. The artist Rudy Burckhardt once wrote that Notley may be "our present-day Homer." Your Dailiness. 165 Meeting House Lane. Her book, Coming After (2005), collects a series of sensitive essays she wrote about her own poetry and that of others from her poetic milieu. Alice Notley: That's the future. She has long written in narrative and epic and genre-bending modes to discover new ways to explore the nature of the self and the social and cultural importance of disobedience. 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